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Topic review - Jon Paul, Charles M. White
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Guest wrote:
Was the rear cargo hold behind the engine on the Triplets used for cargo ? TIA


The only time I saw it used was for access to the engine room when parts or drums of oil and lubricants were lowered down. The actual hatch covers were wood planks and it was battened down and tarped.
There was a complete machine shop with grinders, several lathe's and lots of angle, bar and sheet stock adjacent to the hatch on one of the lower decks of which there were if my memory serves me.
My understanding was that as an ocean Navy ship built for the war, they needed to be able to make what they needed on the fly.
Post Posted: January 3, 2018, 2:08 pm
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Was the rear cargo hold behind the engine on the Triplets used for cargo ? TIA
Post Posted: January 2, 2018, 3:20 pm
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BuffaloBobS wrote:
Rob,

I do not have any photos of Republic Steel in Buffalo. There are plenty on the internet. You can also visit the Rail Way and Steel Making museum across from the old Republic site at the old Buffalo Color plant.

Bob


Many thanks for the reply Bob. I’ve been searching the webs for many yea S and have met a few people that have helped me out. Greg R really made my spirits bright with a set. Thanks Greg!! The Steel Plant museum has a few of Republic but is majority Beth related.
Post Posted: December 29, 2017, 4:36 pm
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Didn't a lot of there ore come up the seaway I remember lots of the Paterson ships up the river in Buffalo.
Post Posted: December 29, 2017, 12:55 pm
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Jon Paul,

It would be interesting to find out who Republic in Buffalo received their ore from. I was on the Detroit Edison for most of 1979 and we made 4 or 5 trips from Silver Bay to Bethlehem in Lackawanna (Buffalo) but never to Republic.

Bob
Post Posted: December 29, 2017, 10:09 am
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Rob,

I do not have any photos of Republic Steel in Buffalo. There are plenty on the internet. You can also visit the Rail Way and Steel Making museum across from the old Republic site at the old Buffalo Color plant.

Bob
Post Posted: December 29, 2017, 8:49 am
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Rob W wrote:
Jon,

The C-4’s have been my favorite and by far some of the most interesting lake vessels built. Thanks for the thread, I just read it in it’s entirety and was captivated even though I should probably have gone to her an hour ago. Much appreciated!!

Rob W


Thank A J, he started this thread...I'm just along for the ride, lol

I have been posting some photos of the C-4's on the thread;

Historical Perspectives in Photos

If you go back far enough their are onboard photos of interior areas
And some storm info
Post Posted: December 28, 2017, 11:37 pm
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Jon,

The C-4’s have been my favorite and by far some of the most interesting lake vessels built. Thanks for the thread, I just read it in it’s entirety and was captivated even though I should probably have gone to her an hour ago. Much appreciated!!

Rob W
Post Posted: December 28, 2017, 10:26 pm
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Bob Schu wrote:
Jon Paul, did you ever take any loads into the Republic Steel plant in Buffalo?
For the short period of time that I worked on the MV Buffalo back in 1980, we were shuttling the ore from the plant in Buffalo to the Republic plant in Cleveland pending the cessation of steel making at the Buffalo plant. It was especially sad for me because, I grew-up several miles from the Buffalo plant and had memories of seeing a red glow in the sky every night.


It's interesting you should bring that up because even though Cliffs had the Republic contract, Cliffs boats rarely went to Buffalo and when they did it was usually to Bethlehem Steel.
We only went there twice and in different years.
Does anyone else have an idea how Rebublic in Buffalo got there ore during the 70's??
Post Posted: December 28, 2017, 10:15 pm
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Bob,

I too am from Buffalo, but I missed all of Republic besides passing it on the 190 I’m my parents car when I was 3 or 4. Always remembered the light blue Republic color. Do you have any photos or the plant?


Thanks

Rob
Post Posted: December 28, 2017, 9:36 pm
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Guest wrote:
All three ships were built for Republic Steel to haul iron ore to Republic steel mills on the Cuyahoga river in Cleveland. Back then, the largest ship that could travel that far up the river were 600 feet maximum.

There was some talk in the 1960s of installing a new mid-body to increase their capacity to 28,000 tons, along with self-unloading equipment.


And Buffalo!! Everyone forgets
Post Posted: December 28, 2017, 9:28 pm
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Jon Paul, did you ever take any loads into the Republic Steel plant in Buffalo?
For the short period of time that I worked on the MV Buffalo back in 1980, we were shuttling the ore from the plant in Buffalo to the Republic plant in Cleveland pending the cessation of steel making at the Buffalo plant. It was especially sad for me because, I grew-up several miles from the Buffalo plant and had memories of seeing a red glow in the sky every night.
Post Posted: December 28, 2017, 8:32 pm
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pcolachap wrote:
Good morning Jon Paul, regarding unloading in Lorain at the B&O lakefront dock, there weren't any huletts there. The 1961 ShipMasters Directory lists three Brown Electric unloaders with ten ton clam shells. As a "kid" I often to Lorain to see dad's boat either in layup at the old B&O coal dock ~1977 pic~ or to make a trip.
The first trip was 1955 on the brand new George M. Humphrey.
The rigs at the Lakefront ore dock were odd looking to me. They weren't like the Hoover Masons at the PY&A in Ashtabula, but were very heavy looking in appearance. . On the Republic C4 cargo routes, often when loading for Ashtabula, they would do a split load of ore between Duluth and Two Harbors for the Union dock in Bula.
Happy New Year! Mike


Thanks for reminding me about the Lorain unloaders. We were there only a couple of times and I couldn't remember till you jogged my memory.
They were on the west side of the harbor and just to the east of the coal dock and if I remember right they had a strange sound to them.
We were only there for a few hours each time.
I do remember from fit out however that there was a favorite bar for the boat guys called the Angry Bull.
What I always found ironic was that the Triplets came with the Republic contract but actually carried more traditional Cliffs loads than the many other boats in the fleet.
I enjoyed the variety. One of my buddies was on the Caddilac and 99% of their trips were Silver Bay to Republic/Cleveland which is fine if ya live near Cleveland but rather monotonous.
Post Posted: December 28, 2017, 1:11 pm
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Greenshirt, sadly no. I wasn't much of a photographer in those days & the few I had, I misplaced. Sorry! Mike
Post Posted: December 28, 2017, 12:10 pm
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pcolachap wrote:
Good morning Jon Paul, regarding unloading in Lorain at the B&O lakefront dock, there weren't any huletts there. The 1961 ShipMasters Directory lists three Brown Electric unloaders with ten ton clam shells. As a "kid" I often to Lorain to see dad's boat either in layup at the old B&O coal dock ~1977 pic~ or to make a trip.
The first trip was 1955 on the brand new George M. Humphrey.
The rigs at the Lakefront ore dock were odd looking to me. They weren't like the Hoover Masons at the PY&A in Ashtabula, but were very heavy looking in appearance. . On the Republic C4 cargo routes, often when loading for Ashtabula, they would do a split load of ore between Duluth and Two Harbors for the Union dock in Bula.
Happy New Year! Mike



got any shots of the waterfront from back then? former Lorainite here
Post Posted: December 28, 2017, 11:22 am

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