Herbert C. Jackson Rouge Bridge Accident

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Re: Herbert C. Jackson Rouge Bridge Accident

by wlbblw » October 22, 2014, 6:33 am

Yeah, if you use the term allision outside the maritime community, other people would think you misspoke or that they didn't hear you properly. My spell check doesn't even know that word & it's trying to auto correct it as I type this...

Re: Herbert C. Jackson Rouge Bridge Accident

by Guest » October 21, 2014, 8:06 pm

Wawatam wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:I think that it's the other way around. A collision would occur between two vessels while the event involving the Jackson and bridge is correctly called an allusion.
Correct, an allision describes a vessel striking a fixed object like a bridge.
My error.Thanks for the clarifications. I've got it now. Allision occurs when a vessel strikes a stationary object like a bridge or a dock. A Collision describes moving vessels striking each other.

OK. I have to ask, just for the heck of it.. If a moving vessel strikes a moored vessel (or a vessel that is stationary) is it still a collision or an allision?
It would be an allision. Collision is between two moving vessels.

Re: Herbert C. Jackson Rouge Bridge Accident

by Wawatam » October 21, 2014, 6:18 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:I think that it's the other way around. A collision would occur between two vessels while the event involving the Jackson and bridge is correctly called an allusion.
Correct, an allision describes a vessel striking a fixed object like a bridge.
My error.Thanks for the clarifications. I've got it now. Allision occurs when a vessel strikes a stationary object like a bridge or a dock. A Collision describes moving vessels striking each other.

OK. I have to ask, just for the heck of it.... If a moving vessel strikes a moored vessel (or a vessel that is stationary) is it still a collision or an allision?

Re: Herbert C. Jackson Rouge Bridge Accident

by Guest » October 21, 2014, 5:54 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Wawatam wrote:I love the term allision as used in the report. (the nautical description of a fender bender)

However, since the Rouge River Bridge is not a vessel, shouldn't this event technically be described as a collision?

I believe an allision is usually used when two vessels bump and scrape up against each other. This event was a little more serious.
I think that it's the other way around. A collision would occur between two vessels while the event involving the Jackson and bridge is correctly called an allusion.
Correct, an allision describes a vessel striking a fixed object like a bridge.
To add further confusion: as the bridge had moving leafs and its motion is what actually caused the accident...does it still qualify as a allision? I don't believe the moving leaf would qualify as a fixed object in the same way as a bridge pier. Is there a term for a bridge hitting a ship?

I believe most people use the term collision to avoid confusion concerning what allision means as most outside of the maritime world would have never heard of this term. I remember all of the news reports calling it a collision at the time.

Re: Herbert C. Jackson Rouge Bridge Accident

by Guest » October 21, 2014, 3:48 pm

Guest wrote:
Wawatam wrote:I love the term allision as used in the report. (the nautical description of a fender bender)

However, since the Rouge River Bridge is not a vessel, shouldn't this event technically be described as a collision?

I believe an allision is usually used when two vessels bump and scrape up against each other. This event was a little more serious.
I think that it's the other way around. A collision would occur between two vessels while the event involving the Jackson and bridge is correctly called an allusion.
Correct, an allision describes a vessel striking a fixed object like a bridge.

Re: Herbert C. Jackson Rouge Bridge Accident

by Guest » October 21, 2014, 8:09 am

Wawatam wrote:I love the term allision as used in the report. (the nautical description of a fender bender)

However, since the Rouge River Bridge is not a vessel, shouldn't this event technically be described as a collision?

I believe an allision is usually used when two vessels bump and scrape up against each other. This event was a little more serious.
I think that it's the other way around. A collision would occur between two vessels while the event involving the Jackson and bridge is correctly called an allusion.

Re: Herbert C. Jackson Rouge Bridge Accident

by Wawatam » October 21, 2014, 7:48 am

I love the term allision as used in the report. (the nautical description of a fender bender)

However, since the Rouge River Bridge is not a vessel, shouldn't this event technically be described as a collision?

I believe an allision is usually used when two vessels bump and scrape up against each other. This event was a little more serious.

Re: Herbert C. Jackson Rouge Bridge Accident

by Guest » October 20, 2014, 2:38 pm

Interesting report. Any information on the American Spirit was it grounding up in the Straits area?

Herbert C. Jackson Rouge Bridge Accident

by Guest » October 20, 2014, 1:00 pm

The NTSB has released their report on the bridge accident involving the Jefferson Ave Bridge and the Herbert C. Jackson in May of 2013.

This is the link:

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2014/MAB1419.pdf

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