Herbert C. Jackson length

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The NYPANO ore dock could only take a maximum sized ship of dimension 647' x 70'. While the steel mills on the Cuyahoga accommodate a 621' x 64' ship. This was back in 1965, and the corners in the river bends have been reduced in subsequent years so larger ships could use the river. But at the time of the Jackson's entry into service, she could not use the docks mentioned in Cleveland.
Greenshirt

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pcolachap wrote:In this era, PM had the contract for Youngstown Sheet & Tube. Sheet & Tube had large mills in Youngstown which closed in '78. The ore was shipped either through Ashtabula, A&B dock or the Erie Railroad ore dock, NYPANO, in Cleveland. Could the Jackson carry a cargo into the Cuyahoga old river bed where the Erie ore dock was located? Mike
She could. Her dimensions are smaller than the John j boland and h Lee white, both of which have made it partially loaded to Arcelor Mittal dock.
hugh3

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PM also had ore docks in Erie Pa.
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In this era, PM had the contract for Youngstown Sheet & Tube. Sheet & Tube had large mills in Youngstown which closed in '78. The ore was shipped either through Ashtabula, A&B dock or the Erie Railroad ore dock, NYPANO, in Cleveland. Could the Jackson carry a cargo into the Cuyahoga old river bed where the Erie ore dock was located? Mike
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Another Canadian Laker built a little later the A. S. Glossbrenner for Labrador Steamship Co., that still sails as the Algosteel. Ore up the Seaway, Grain down the St. Lawrence.
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pcolachap wrote:On the Canadian side, I would say there was a transition to the 730s. In the 58-59 time frame, they produced the Seaway Queen, the Frank Sherman, some Misener vessels and the two Carryore boats, Menihek Lake and Carol Lake. PM's sequence was following the Elton Hoyt II & J. L. Mauthe. I know with the Hanna fleet which planned to operate their US vessels down the Seaway, there was a concern about the 75 beam thru the Welland and St. Lawrence. The concern proved unfounded. That era, 58-61 was a good one for shipbuilding on both sides of the Lakes. Mike
Indeed some great ships came to us during those years.
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On the Canadian side, I would say there was a transition to the 730s. In the 58-59 time frame, they produced the Seaway Queen, the Frank Sherman, some Misener vessels and the two Carryore boats, Menihek Lake and Carol Lake. PM's sequence was following the Elton Hoyt II & J. L. Mauthe. I know with the Hanna fleet which planned to operate their US vessels down the Seaway, there was a concern about the 75 beam thru the Welland and St. Lawrence. The concern proved unfounded. That era, 58-61 was a good one for shipbuilding on both sides of the Lakes. Mike
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For the Jackson, it likely was a matter of dimensions for loading and unloading docks, rivers to be traversed, etc. If a boat was intended to serve a particular customer or customers, it had to be to a size that would enable it to reach the customer's docks and use their unloading gear.

The Canadians knew that much of their traffic would be concentrated in grain shipments for export, so they were building 730-foot boats to take full advantage of the lock dimensions of the new St. Lawrence Seaway.
Paul Anderson

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I can't really answer why it was built to 690 ft but there was a length to beam to depth ratio as built during to 50's. She had a depth of 37'6" with. 75 foot beam. Other vessel in that period were built to 710 feet with the same depth and beam. The 730 foot vessels that were to come had a depth of 39 feet.
JT

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For 1959, 690' was a standard length for American Vessels built in that period. The AAA's were built at a length of 647, and the Oberstar/Sherwin/Humphreys were 710 feet. Most of those vessels were later lengthened, exceeding 730' because their primary trade routes were on the upper lakes. 730' was a mostly Canadian thing, as the title of Queen of The Lakes was shared by a large number of vessels from 1959 with the launch of the Murray Bay ending with the first Baie St Paul in Nov. 1962. in that span, 15 vessels of 730' were built, of those 10 were canadian built, and several of those US boats were built for the seaway ore trade. the only thing with the jackson was that unlike the vessels built in her time period, she was never lengthened.
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Does anyone have any insight into why Interlake Steamship had the Herbert C. Jackson built to a length of 690 feet in 1959 rather than 730 feet that was becoming popular at the time? Was it to serve a particular customer?
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