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That picture during the grain handlers strike must have been pretty early on, or a very narrow shot. Somewhere buried away I have an article from the Minneapolis Tribune (Pre Star Tribune days) with a picture showing something over 30 ships at anchor out in the lake toward the end of the strike.

Any idea which Bethlehem Steel boat that is coming in in that picture?

Dang, I sure miss the Ford and Cleveland Cliffs Fleets!

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Guest wrote:I still think it could be 1976-77. Could the Joseph S. Young be operating on the coal run from Toledo to Detroit, considering that only she and the Hutchinson are discharging water through overboard discharges?

Perhaps Joseph S. Young temporarily layed up at Ecorse for repairs. It was a tough winter for ships on the coal run that year. (of course, as it was in other areas of the lakes, too)

I'm left scratching my head on this one. I do know the Young was laid-up for the final time in 1977 in Toledo, so this cannot be 1977-78.

I think the photo of the Townsend in bicentennial colors was taken right after I took the Nicholson shot.

Second quote was mine.

Guest wrote:I still think it could be 1976-77. Could the Joseph S. Young be operating on the coal run from Toledo to Detroit, considering that only she and the Hutchinson are discharging water through overboard discharges?

Perhaps Joseph S. Young temporarily layed up at Ecorse for repairs. It was a tough winter for ships on the coal run that year. (of course, as it was in other areas of the lakes, too)

I'm left scratching my head on this one. I do know the Young was laid-up for the final time in 1977 in Toledo, so this cannot be 1977-78.

I think the photo of the Townsend in bicentennial colors was taken right after I took the Nicholson shot.

I think I'll be going out of sequence with my photos. I think there might be an album or two at my ex-wife's. I'll have to get my son to look around to see what he can find. Here are a few more photos.

I still think it could be 1976-77. Could the Joseph S. Young be operating on the coal run from Toledo to Detroit, considering that only she and the Hutchinson are discharging water through overboard discharges?

Perhaps Joseph S. Young temporarily layed up at Ecorse for repairs. It was a tough winter for ships on the coal run that year. (of course, as it was in other areas of the lakes, too)

I'm left scratching my head on this one. I do know the Young was laid-up for the final time in 1977 in Toledo, so this cannot be 1977-78.

It's no later than '78. I didn't date the photos, but I know most of the photos in that particular album are from '76/'77. Not much help. But I know I was on the Clarke when I took the photos in that album, and my last yr. on her was '78, then '79 on the Watson.

Another thought or two. The E. T. Weir was sold to Columbia in 1978. She is at the head of the slip, so it is no later than '78.
The Thompson also spent another winter layup away from Ecorse in Lorain, besides the Cleveland layup, addition of the bow thruster. This was the winter the initial Coast Guard report came out which said the Fitzgerald sunk because of loose fitting hatch covers. So that spring a lot of work was done on the clamps, covers and combings. In Lorain the Thompson and a Cliffs C4 had to undergo an inspection from the cargo hold by the USCG -no light showing- before they could sail. Could our picture be 77-78? Mike

For color corrections I use a program called IrfanView, it's free & I am sure there are a lot of others out there. Here is a corrected picture of the ST Crapo.

These photos are awesome, but the next step that awaits you is to do some color/contrast correction and some clean up of the photos. I know that is time consuming and a challenge. As an example, I took the one today of the Calloway and change it. It shows what you can do with these. But keep them coming!!

A few more to end the night.

A couple more things Mr. Lafferty, the aft mast on the Kling was taller in proportion to the smokestack, the Young's unloading boom came up to a peak where the lift cables attached to it. Looking close at the picture, the top slope of the boom can be seen, a configuration the Kling didn't have.

Alex

The only two self-unloaders laid-up in Ecorse over the winter of 1976-77 was the John T. Hutchinson and John A. Kling.

I saw that, too, in my old Scanner, but are we sure it is 1976-77? The Kling's funnel, after Dieselization, was somewhat raked and its bridge wings not quite as wide as in the photograph. More importantly, If you look very closely, it appears that the main deck is enclosed aft, as with the Joseph S. Young (done after its repowering in 1959 at Cleveland by Rud Machine), with the name very prominent on the side.

Nope. Not buying it. It's not the Kling, there is an error in that publication.

Look closely you can see the spar deck level of stern cabins on the starboard side have been reconstructed to be enclosed. This never happened on the Kling but it did happen on the Young. Photos of the Kling being scrapped illustrate this quite clearly.

The only two self-unloaders laid-up in Ecorse over the winter of 1976-77 was the John T. Hutchinson and John A. Kling.

http://www.maritimehistoryofthegreatlak ... sp?ID=s008

here is a modified picture that shows the ship a little lighter. hope it helps. it is definately ASC. you can see red on funnel

I am enjoying your pictures. The pictures keep the memories fresh!
Thanks for posting & please continue.

Could it be the Joseph S. Young? I was just looking at the photo of her I had posted earlier. Probably not her, but just a thought.

I think it is the Joseph S. Young, too. It received a squat funnel like shown when repowered with a Unalfow in 1959 and the vessel in the photograph has distinctive bridge wings, as did the Young.

Looks like the the Robert C. Stanley straight ahead of the Clarke, to the left of the Eugene P. Thomas, and at least two of the Supers one of which is the Voorhees by the looks of it. Seems like there are more masts sticking up than stacks visible so they're probably all there rafted together. What a cool sight to see!

Could it be the Joseph S. Young? I was just looking at the photo of her I had posted earlier. Probably not her, but just a thought.