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Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 16, 2017, 8:22 pm
by garbear
Guest wrote:The Joe Thompson really looked like she was rock n and rollin was it a storm ?
It was rough. Probably was a gale out of the NW. There were other boats in the area, but the Thompson was the closest to us.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 16, 2017, 8:06 pm
by Guest
The Joe Thompson really looked like she was rock n and rollin was it a storm ?

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 16, 2017, 6:57 pm
by Paul A
Thanks garbear, it's really a joy seeing these boats with classic lines that aren't here anymore.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 16, 2017, 5:49 pm
by garbear
A few more.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 15, 2017, 9:28 pm
by garbear
The photo of the Fitzgerald was taken as she was downbound on the St. Clair River.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 15, 2017, 7:47 pm
by garbear
Add a few more.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 14, 2017, 7:26 pm
by garbear
A few more.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 14, 2017, 2:04 pm
by Guest
I also cannot find any other reference to the Khuozhnki Pakhomov being boycotted at Ludington in January of 1980. I did, however, find the following two news clippings of this vessel being boycotted at Philadelphia that same month. I have attached these to this post. The first is from the Cumberland News of Cumberland, Maryland dated January 10, 1980 with a picture of the vessel. The second is a write up from the Daily Globe from Ironwood, Michigan dated January 11, 1980 which mentions the ILA union refusing to unload the ship. The latter image is of poor quality so hopefully it will be readable in the format I had to reduce it too in order to upload to this forum.

Secondly, I doubt that any Russian freighter was in Ludington in January of 1980 unless it was trapped in the lakes when the Welland Canal and Seaway locks closed for the winter.

I believe this incident at Philadelphia may have been confused for some reason with a situation that developed that same year when the Soviet vessel Vasya Shishkovskiy arrived at Ludington on April 28, 1980, which resulted in a union picket of the vessel. In this case, the ship did not clear Ludington until May 5 with a Canadian pilot after American pilots reportedly refused to cross the picket line.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 14, 2017, 12:00 pm
by William Lafferty
Could that Russian freighter be the KHUDOZHNKI PAKHOMOV? It came to DOW in Ludington a few times. It was the vessel they refused to unload because of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Boatnerd seems to be the only place that contends the Khuozhnki Pakhomov was boycotted in January 1980 at Ludington. I can find no evidence of that. It was the Vasya Shishkovskiy that created national headlines in April 1980 when it was stranded at Ludington.
Are you talking about the dock in the little inlet just wet of the Washington St bridge?
Yep. "Just wet of the Washington St bridge" may not be a typo, it appeared to be so shallow.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 14, 2017, 10:32 am
by canalwatcher Barry
First of all ... The vessel which was identified by Mr. Lafferty is the Tolya Komar as he indicated - script on stern is readable. The other two vessels that are mentioned by a guest are incorrectly identified - easily done with Russian script unless one can read the nameboard - only the Khudozhnik Kraynev (1st trip in 2002) went to Chicago with steel and Khudozhnik Toidze 1st trip into Seaway 1979) - no info available for this vessel. These are the only two Soviet ships beginning with this name that are listed as coming into the Seaway (info taken from Rene Beauchamp books "Seaway Ships 2002" and "58 Years of Seaway Salties 1959 to 2016") Hope this helps to clear up the unknowns. Barry Andersen

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 14, 2017, 10:14 am
by garbear
Probably the reason I didn't write down the name of the Russian is because her name was in Russian. I think Mr. Lafferty might be right that it was the Tolya Komar. I know it received some press in the Manistee News Advocate when it was there. Working on trying to find some info.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 14, 2017, 10:11 am
by garbear
mccollochd wrote:Photo #108 from July 11 of the AmShip Yard in Lorain. The 1,000 footer under construction is the James Barker. In front of the Barker is the Walter Sterling (now Lee Tregurtha). At the time she was in Am Ship for lengthening from 730 to 806 feet.
I knew the Cliffs boat was the Sterling. Couldn't remember the 1000 footer that was being built. I know if I'd have done a little research I would have figured it out. We were in the shipyard at the time after running into the Mackinaw that was stopped in the ice in Whitefish.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 14, 2017, 8:14 am
by Guest
garbear wrote:
William Lafferty wrote:These photographs are great, especially the Ludington shots. That self-unloaders were able to get into that tiny bayou and unload at Abrahamson-Neirheim still amazes me.
Are you talking about the dock in the little inlet just wet of the Washington St bridge?

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 14, 2017, 8:02 am
by Guest
garbear wrote:I'll finish off from the album I'm looking at.
Could that Russian freighter be the KHUDOZHNKI PAKHOMOV? It came to DOW in Ludington a few times. It was the vessel they refused to unload because of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 14, 2017, 7:24 am
by mccollochd
Typo .... 826 feet. My fingers are faster than my brain.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 14, 2017, 6:32 am
by Guest
mccollochd wrote:Photo #108 from July 11 of the AmShip Yard in Lorain. The 1,000 footer under construction is the James Barker. In front of the Barker is the Walter Sterling (now Lee Tregurtha). At the time she was in Am Ship for lengthening from 730 to 806 feet.

I agree! The Sterling was at Amship over the 1975-76 winter layup for lengthening and the James R. Barker made its maiden voyage on August 8, 1976. Its interesting how easily the bow of the Sterling could be, at first glance, initially mistaken for that of the Cliffs Victory from this angle.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 13, 2017, 9:00 pm
by mccollochd
Photo #108 from July 11 of the AmShip Yard in Lorain. The 1,000 footer under construction is the James Barker. In front of the Barker is the Walter Sterling (now Lee Tregurtha). At the time she was in Am Ship for lengthening from 730 to 806 feet.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 13, 2017, 6:16 pm
by garbear
I was just looking at Google Earth and it was probably loading where the Great Republic and other self-unloaders discharge their coal for Tondu. I think the spot near there that looks like concrete is where the old Manistee Drop Forge was located.
Also, thank you Mr. Lafferty for the positive comments on my photos. Please post some of your slides from Ludington. Never got down to Ludington much before the mid 70's. My sister was p.r. director at West Shore Community College and she lived in Ludington. Would drive down to Ludington when I was home on vacation.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 13, 2017, 5:21 pm
by garbear
William Lafferty wrote:These photographs are great, especially the Ludington shots. That self-unloaders were able to get into that tiny bayou and unload at Abrahamson-Neirheim still amazes me. I have hundreds of slides from the 60s. Maybe I should get them out.

The unknown Russian vessel is clearly a "Pioner" class freighter built by Neptun at Vostock. I'm pretty sure it is the Tolya Komar that came into the lakes in 1972. It may still be around as Mareg II, owned by a firm on the Isle of Man and flagged under the Russian Federation, but Lloyds has not tracked it in several years.

Are you certain that is Manistee, though? There was a constant string of Russian vessels in the 1970s and 1980s into Ludington to load magnetite at Harbison-Walker at a dock on Pere Marquette Lake on the west end of the Dow Chemical property. I don't know why a Russian freighter would call at Manistee.
It was Manistee. I took the photo on the hill in Filer City. Think just above the old Drop Forge. I think they were loading some bulk product from Martin Marietta. They were using a crane with a clamshell bucket to load it. I remember it was a very dusty cargo.
Not a great memory anymore, but it was in Manistee.

Re: Photo Collection

Posted: July 13, 2017, 3:10 pm
by William Lafferty
These photographs are great, especially the Ludington shots. That self-unloaders were able to get into that tiny bayou and unload at Abrahamson-Neirheim still amazes me. I have hundreds of slides from the 60s. Maybe I should get them out.

The unknown Russian vessel is clearly a "Pioner" class freighter built by Neptun at Vostock. I'm pretty sure it is the Tolya Komar that came into the lakes in 1972. It may still be around as Mareg II, owned by a firm on the Isle of Man and flagged under the Russian Federation, but Lloyds has not tracked it in several years.

Are you certain that is Manistee, though? There was a constant string of Russian vessels in the 1970s and 1980s into Ludington to load magnetite at Harbison-Walker at a dock on Pere Marquette Lake on the west end of the Dow Chemical property. I don't know why a Russian freighter would call at Manistee.