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 Post subject: Re: csl selfunloader contract
Unread postPosted: May 25, 2017, 5:56 pm 
A lot of "I think this, I think that". Unless you have worked on one of our ships or seen our contract you have no idea what our lives are like here. It's not glamorous !! It's not a life, it's a job. Only a certain type of person can handle it believe me. So don't try to over analyze our situation because if you don't understand then you don't have a opinion


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Unread postPosted: May 25, 2017, 1:45 pm 

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If I read that right, he means 8 hrs in 12, 0800-2000 , the first 6 of those hours before 1700. The normal day work has always been 0800-1700

It's a blatant attempt to take all overtime away from crews. And they are trying to sell any job, any position? So are you wanting the cooks to sub in for a deckhand while cleaning out the cargo holds?? Would you like to do the probs and stats on how many get injured with that?


The intent probably is not to have the cooks clean cargo holds. The intent may be to have the deck crew help out in the tunnel and perhaps the engine room. Current union work rules may preclude deck crew from working where needed.

I agree that not having set hours makes for difficult sleep. However, the comments make it sound like crews normally only work 8 hours per day. Contrast that to Gulf of Mexico and ocean crews that almost always work 12 hours per day and are called out for docking/un-docking whenever necessary.


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Unread postPosted: May 25, 2017, 12:44 pm 
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Lower lakes and McKeil don't have over time you work a daily rate. Set hours a day and then you'll get lighter days to balance out your hours. Why would a tunnelman or deckhand get paid if they won't tie up until after 1700. It makes no sense. Also deckhands tunnelmen and oilers don't have watches either day work or working whenever needed. If you work 16 hours then down for 6 and work for another 16 you would get OT it as per yours hours worked. As long as you have 6 uninterrupted in any 24 hours there is nothing wrong with this.


I agree. I worked for years with a flat day rate. It was better than the hourly system.


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Unread postPosted: May 25, 2017, 10:30 am 
Lower lakes and McKeil don't have over time you work a daily rate. Set hours a day and then you'll get lighter days to balance out your hours. Why would a tunnelman or deckhand get paid if they won't tie up until after 1700. It makes no sense. Also deckhands tunnelmen and oilers don't have watches either day work or working whenever needed. If you work 16 hours then down for 6 and work for another 16 you would get OT it as per yours hours worked. As long as you have 6 uninterrupted in any 24 hours there is nothing wrong with this.


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Unread postPosted: May 25, 2017, 1:53 am 
When your watch is scheduled to be 4 on 8 off, 24/7 or you are a day worker and you work from 8 to 5, what part of sitting on your but is that?

Think about working 16 hours straight and getting 6 hours down time, then working another 16 hours. Now crews get paid OT. Now think about working 2 hours here and maybe 3 hours but you don't know when. Now try to sleep, contact family, eat, do your laundry, etc. Yes, the ship is 24/7, that's why they have set watches


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Unread postPosted: May 24, 2017, 11:17 pm 
If I read that right, he means 8 hrs in 12, 0800-2000 , the first 6 of those hours before 1700. The normal day work has always been 0800-1700

It's a blatant attempt to take all overtime away from crews. And they are trying to sell any job, any position? So are you wanting the cooks to sub in for a deckhand while cleaning out the cargo holds?? Would you like to do the probs and stats on how many get injured with that?


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Unread postPosted: May 24, 2017, 10:14 pm 
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Any 8 hrs in 12 hrs, 8-20 first 6 worked before 17. Nobody losing job.


Please explain this schedule in landlubbers terms. :)
I don't understand what it means.


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Unread postPosted: May 24, 2017, 8:07 pm 
Seems the company did some backtracking on the 1st deal offered. Still doesn't look good but at least its human.

Any 8 hrs in 12 hrs, 8-20 first 6 worked before 17. Nobody losing job.

Not going on strike for this. Cant afford it.


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Unread postPosted: May 24, 2017, 11:01 am 
Why would you get paid for 8 hours sitting on your butt from 0900 to 1700. When you start work at 1600 and work until midnight. Shipping is a 24/7 operation. Get called when you are needed and off when you are not. As long as you are abiding CLC part 2 laws everything is by the book. Be thankful you have a job and aren't replaced by a cheaper foreign crew.


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Unread postPosted: May 24, 2017, 12:43 am 
Many Algoma ships are carrying cargo for CSL. CSL was chosen to negotiate their contact first over that of Algoma. Used to be years ago if a ship was hauling cargo for a company who has its crews on strike those carrying the cargo would be considered as crossing the pick line. Why would CSL bother with their crews when another company is hauling their cargo for them.

Hope for both CSL and Algoma crews are not taken advantage of by CSL. If the self-unloader crews sign and all become GP than Algoma crews will end up with the same contract. That is what the Union is looking at.

CSL has several big contacts, so here's hoping that the company realizes the mist important assets they have are their crews.


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Unread postPosted: May 23, 2017, 1:42 pm 
Don't bet on Algoma crews just blithely crossing picket lines. Aside from the illegality of that, it would get ugly, and very fast

8 out of every 18
Brilliant
Wonder who in human relations came up with that. Aside from the scumbaggery, the human biological clock isn't wired that way. It just won't work. And it would get people hurt. Sooner, not later


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Unread postPosted: May 23, 2017, 12:16 pm 
How do you figure that Algoma employees will be crossing picket lines?
Algoma employees can't vote on a CSL collective agreement, and they haven't finished negotiating their collective agreement with Algoma.
When a ship arrives in port to load/discharge a cargo, they are not crossing a picket line.
I can assure you that the SIU members of Algoma fully support their brothers and sisters at CSL, but they are obligated to continue working for their employer.
Now they will not be able to cross a legal picket line to join a vessel.


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Unread postPosted: May 23, 2017, 9:42 am 
Today Frontenac is unloading stone in Sarnia. It's the first time I have noticed a CSL ship delivering there. It's usually Algoma or Lower Lakes.


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Unread postPosted: May 23, 2017, 1:06 am 
Wow! You do realize that not all crew members have even voted yet. Algoma and Lower Lakes are already hauling CSL loads. If and when they go on strike, Algoma crews are going to benefit because they won't strike. They will be actually crossing picket lines to continue to haul cargo for CSL while their brother SIU members strike as what they get will be what Algoma gives them.

Lower Lakes has a few SIU sailing and they aren't union, but, they will benefit from the contract.

Taking away free time. Crews will never kniw what hours in a given 24 hour period they will have to work. They can work them the last 8 hours in a day and the first 8 hours the next day and to make it 16 straight hours without any OT.


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Unread postPosted: May 22, 2017, 8:57 pm 
The company wants to delete 32 pages from our contract. Transportation and job cuts, no wage increase, work any 8 hrs in18,work anyone anywhere etc.They are posting the jobs of "all" unlicensed crew to replace us with "scabs"


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