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 Post subject: Re: Algoma Transport - Burns Harbor to Buffington shuttle ?
Unread postPosted: November 15, 2017, 10:03 am 
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The cost of renting the crane is only a small consideration as you cannot just use an easy to come by cherry picker for such a lift. A boom crane is typically required and there are only so many readily available at a location accessible by the vessel to make the lift. Even if you were able to rent the equipment it still needs to be relocated, set up, operator hired, etc, etc. The old saying time is money, money is time. Your savings go out the window real quick when your just sitting around waiting for a day because you did not want to burn fuel. Not to mention pay crew, feed them, possibly be kicked of a dock, delayed for the load port, lose a load at the end of the season, etc. etc. just because it was cheaper not to burn the fuel.


All good points. Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Algoma Transport - Burns Harbor to Buffington shuttle ?
Unread postPosted: November 14, 2017, 8:16 pm 
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Not when its a 13 ton Cat 928 and a crane is required to get it in and out of the hold.


That is not a Bobcat as was originally stated.
A 928 would be most accurately described as a front end loader.
Thats a completely different machine than a skid steer loader, also generically known as a Bobcat.


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Unread postPosted: November 14, 2017, 4:56 pm 
What kind of ore were they carrying that was so sticky ?


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Unread postPosted: November 14, 2017, 2:44 pm 
The cost of renting the crane is only a small consideration as you cannot just use an easy to come by cherry picker for such a lift. A boom crane is typically required and there are only so many readily available at a location accessible by the vessel to make the lift. Even if you were able to rent the equipment it still needs to be relocated, set up, operator hired, etc, etc. The old saying time is money, money is time. Your savings go out the window real quick when your just sitting around waiting for a day because you did not want to burn fuel. Not to mention pay crew, feed them, possibly be kicked of a dock, delayed for the load port, lose a load at the end of the season, etc. etc. just because it was cheaper not to burn the fuel.


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Unread postPosted: November 14, 2017, 12:49 pm 
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Not when its a 13 ton Cat 928 and a crane is required to get it in and out of the hold.


Really ? I looked up the specs and it seems like an easily transportable load on a flat bed. The cost might have been fairly high to transport over the road but would surely have been less than the cost in fuel, crew time and lost time for the ship.


And that conclusion includes the cost to rent a crane.


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Unread postPosted: November 14, 2017, 12:46 pm 
Getting the equipment to the boat is easy. But now you also need to get a crane and a rigging crew at the same time. Twice-on then off.


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Unread postPosted: November 14, 2017, 11:39 am 
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Not when its a 13 ton Cat 928 and a crane is required to get it in and out of the hold.


Really ? I looked up the specs and it seems like an easily transportable load on a flat bed. The cost might have been fairly high to transport over the road but would surely have been less than the cost in fuel, crew time and lost time for the ship.


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Unread postPosted: November 14, 2017, 9:31 am 
Not when its a 13 ton Cat 928 and a crane is required to get it in and out of the hold.


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Unread postPosted: November 14, 2017, 7:58 am 
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They were picking up and then returning a bobcat for their cargo holds. Probably had a sticky unload


Wouldn't it have been easier, faster and cheaper to have it transported by truck ?


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Unread postPosted: November 14, 2017, 7:26 am 
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They were picking up and then returning a bobcat for their cargo holds. Probably had a sticky unload


I am not familiar with the distance between those ports but if it was only picking up a Bobcat it would seem to me it would make more sense and be way less expensive to have a pickup truck and trailer deliver the Bobcat to the original port.
Am I missing something?


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Unread postPosted: November 13, 2017, 9:22 pm 
They were picking up and then returning a bobcat for their cargo holds. Probably had a sticky unload


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Unread postPosted: November 13, 2017, 9:08 am 
While reviewing the Algoma Vessel Passage page I noticed a strange series of movements by the Algoma Transport in October. On Oct. 9 they arrived in Burns Harbor to unload ore. Departed BH on Oct. 10 and arrived at Buffington. Departed Buffington on Oct. 11 and arrived at BH, then departed BH and arrived back in Buffington all on Oct. 11. On Oct. 12 they departed Buffington for Two Harbors. What were they doing ? I don't think they could move cargo between those two ports being a Canadian flagged vessel.


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