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 Post subject: Re: Historical Perspective in Photos
Unread postPosted: February 12, 2018, 7:01 pm 

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All the different deck top unloading gear is really interesting to view and compare! Also, the pic of what was the last two Hullets in situ was a welcome sight. Great photos Jon Paul!


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Unread postPosted: February 12, 2018, 6:32 pm 
Been enjoying your photos. The one of the North dock, South Works, brings back a lot of memories. Unloaded there a lot on the Clarke and Watson.


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Unread postPosted: February 12, 2018, 4:30 pm 

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Here are some photo's of early self unloaders. I always enjoyed seeing the Wyandotte boats. They were always well kept and painted, the green hulls set them apart form the usual red or black.

The 1 photo of the White at S Chicago South Works was supposed to be with the photos I posted of the Munson stuck in the Ice but I had misplaced it. You can see the Munson ahead of us at the US Steel Dock.


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Unread postPosted: February 10, 2018, 11:54 am 

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Nice pictures of arriving at Duluth. Any idea which boat was being scrapped behind the Harry Allen? From what I remember of that era I'd guess it was a US Steel boat.


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Unread postPosted: February 10, 2018, 6:10 am 

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Jon Paul wrote:
E J B wrote:
Trying to use my phone right now so hard to see names. What tugs are pushing the Mkee and the Conquest ? Thank you.. I'm staring at those pictures so hard I might throw my back out !


It's the Olive Moore with the McKee Sons, I'm not sure about the Conquest



Looks like the James A. Hannah shown here at Algonac on 20071208.

Don


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Unread postPosted: February 10, 2018, 5:16 am 
Either the Mary Hannah or James Hannah


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I'm not sure about the Conquest

Almost certainly the Susan W. Hannah, now the Bradshaw McKee.


http://www.boatnerd.com/layup/HANNAHSUS . 7-02mn.jpg

It most definitely is not.


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I'm not sure about the Conquest

Almost certainly the Susan W. Hannah, now the Bradshaw McKee.


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Unread postPosted: February 9, 2018, 9:42 pm 

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E J B wrote:
Trying to use my phone right now so hard to see names. What tugs are pushing the Mkee and the Conquest ? Thank you.. I'm staring at those pictures so hard I might throw my back out !


It's the Olive Moore with the McKee Sons, I'm not sure about the Conquest


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Unread postPosted: February 9, 2018, 9:38 pm 

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The Triplets had very high rails for the hatch crane. Typically they would mounted closer to deck level. How did the deck crew feel about them ? Great shots !


Having worked the deck I can tell you it wasn't really an issue. The hatches themselves were higher and that made it easier on the back when doing clamps.
The other boats I had decked on had telescoping hatches, one had over 30+. Having only 15 hatches and an Iron Deckhand made the White an easy boat to work.
The ones that look like a pain to work now are the Canadian ones. All the extra stantcions and safety chains running just outside the hatch combing look like they would get in the way


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Unread postPosted: February 9, 2018, 8:04 pm 
Trying to use my phone right now so hard to see names. What tugs are pushing the Mkee and the Conquest ? Thank you.. I'm staring at those pictures so hard I might throw my back out !


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The Triplets had very high rails for the hatch crane. Typically they would mounted closer to deck level. How did the deck crew feel about them ? Great shots !


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Unread postPosted: February 9, 2018, 2:24 pm 

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Trip #10
June 2, 1978 inbound Duluth to load at DM&I #1 - McCook Fine Red Ore for Ashtabula A&B Dock

I posted the photo of the George Hindman as a bit of nostalgia. I was very lucky to spend my weekends at Port Huron as a young lad in the '60's..never knowing what you might see. A CSL package frieghter with a deckload of cars and trucks, the tug Linda Hindman towing the barge Swederope...or a deck load of pulpwood...ahhh, those were the days!!


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Unread postPosted: February 8, 2018, 9:13 am 
Jon Paul wrote:
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Hello Jon Paul, Did the White and its sisters have any unique handling characteristics as being saltwater conversions in comparison to a purpose built lake freighter? I seem to recall reading that this class was involved in several minor incidents during their early careers.


I'm not sure about the incidents your speaking of.
The large stack and 3 tier forward cabins created a lot of sail plane that had to be taken into account.
I also heard that for the new Captains and Mates coming aboard that after being on 1600 -2000 hp
Boats that there was a learning curve to handling and maneuvering the boats.
There were instances before the speed limits were put in place on the connecting river systems
Where during the process of overtaking another ship some serious shoreline flooding occured.
I do know first hand however that Capt Long was very adamant about using a minimum amount of wheel when In Ballast and departing a dock. The salt water stern with its sweeping flare easily could swing over a dock and endanger the rather large propeller. I was to wait for the mate to give an "all clear" indicating that the stern was a safe distance off the dock before giving anymore than 5 degrees rudder.


From a quick look, it appears that after being involved in several incidents during their early careers, a lot of these early difficulties appear to have been ironed out by the time they entered the Cleveland Cliffs fleet. I have compiled a short, but by no means complete. listing of the accidents I was referring too.

Tom M. Girdler
Collision: 1962
Grounding:1954, 1959
Struck Submerged Object: 1955
Struck Dock: 1956

Thomas F. Patton (Troy H. Browning)
Struck Submerged Object: 1956
Struck Dock: 1955 (2 instances)

Charles M. White
Collision: 1962
Grounding: 1963
Struck Submerged Object: 1954 (2 instances)
Struck Dock: 1954, 1955
Rubbed bottom: 1954 (2 instances), 1955
Allision with docked ships: 1954


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Unread postPosted: February 7, 2018, 9:26 pm 

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Guest wrote:
Hello Jon Paul, Did the White and its sisters have any unique handling characteristics as being saltwater conversions in comparison to a purpose built lake freighter? I seem to recall reading that this class was involved in several minor incidents during their early careers.


I'm not sure about the incidents your speaking of.
The large stack and 3 tier forward cabins created a lot of sail plane that had to be taken into account.
I also heard that for the new Captains and Mates coming aboard that after being on 1600 -2000 hp
Boats that there was a learning curve to handling and maneuvering the boats.
There were instances before the speed limits were put in place on the connecting river systems
Where during the process of overtaking another ship some serious shoreline flooding occured.
I do know first hand however that Capt Long was very adamant about using a minimum amount of wheel when In Ballast and departing a dock. The salt water stern with its sweeping flare easily could swing over a dock and endanger the rather large propeller. I was to wait for the mate to give an "all clear" indicating that the stern was a safe distance off the dock before giving anymore than 5 degrees rudder.


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