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 Post subject: Re: Algoma renaming
Unread postPosted: February 7, 2018, 5:23 pm 
Yes we know the Aird was scrapped just comparing the recently purchased Cornelius to the Aird, you can also compare the Cornelius to the Algolake or Olympic, which are still around for the time being, its just very interesting to see what will happen.


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Unread postPosted: February 7, 2018, 4:18 pm 
I believe that Aird last sailed in 2016 and went to scrap this past year (2017) or in 2016. I have a video of her last trip through the Glendale bridge. Also wonder why she was brought up, def a moot point.


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Unread postPosted: February 7, 2018, 3:30 pm 
Yes you are correct EJB as the Aird arrived in Montreal in early April of 2017 and later was renamed John B. and towed to Aliaga, Turkey for scrapping where she arrived last year. Hope that this information helps.


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Unread postPosted: February 7, 2018, 3:15 pm 
No one is speculating about the John B. Aird. She's just being used as an example comparing hull condition between her and the two rececent ASC diesel purchases that Algoma made.


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Unread postPosted: February 7, 2018, 3:11 pm 
Would it make sense for Algoma to run the American builds solely on the salt runs for a few years until they wear out? Seems like they're running their imminent scrap yard hulls in the salt trade. Put the corrosion on the the 70's hulls as opposed to the brand new hulls?


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Unread postPosted: February 7, 2018, 1:37 pm 
“S.S. American Valor and the S.S. American Victory have the potential to be re-powered as motor vessels, converted to articulated tug barges, or have their forebodies mated with existing modern sterns; however, no immediate plan for these two vessels has been confirmed.”

The above was taken directly from algoma web site
So either they have no plan to do anything with these hulls or they have yet decided what they want to do with them

I find it hard to believe that the largest most diverse most successful shipping company on the lakes would spend that kind of money four 4 hulls without a complete plan as to what they intended to do with them
well before they signed a cheque

Also algom is in the middle of a fleet renewal of new builds worth hundreds of millions dollars and has expanded into ocean trading
and cement these hulls must figure into algomas plans some were


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Unread postPosted: February 7, 2018, 12:40 pm 
Why speculate on the Aird...isn't she long gone ? Just wondering


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Unread postPosted: February 7, 2018, 12:20 pm 
If Algoma only plans to scrap several of these, they wouldn't of been bought in the first place.

Algoma Central Marine isn't a charity. If ASC wants to ensure that the steamers are scrapped, they'd of sold them direct to a scrapper just as they did with the American Fortitude.

And Algoma isn't going to be paying better than scrap prices for them only to turn around weeks later and sell them for a loss to a scrapper, as some sort of package deal here just to get the two 1970's era diesels.

It's not like Lower Lakes Shipping is in financial shape to take them, dieselize them, shorten the Valor for river trading, etc. Nor is it likely someone else is chomping at the bits to give it a try, either. So Algoma isn't going to be throwing good money away just to keep them out of the hands of potential competitors.

They may be scrapped or they may not, but I'd say it's safe to take it for granted that a final decision on their fate hasn't been arrived at yet.

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Why didn't they just leave the Montrealais and Quebecois alone for the couple years they ran would it have made a difference, maybe if they changed colour but they didn't even bother to paint them.


They didn't follow through with their unimaginative plan to rename them as the Algoma Montreal and the Algoma Quebec.

They stayed as the Montrealais and Quebecois until the end, just with the addition of Algoma in front of their name. A fine common sense compromise that brought some Algoma identity to their names, while letting the classy sounding names that they had carried throughout their entire working lives for multiple owners remain until the sad end finally arrived.

But with some of the names I'm seeing here, they're reminding me of Algoma Montreal and Algoma Quebec. I hope something a little bit more special is on their hulls when those that end up reactivated finally enter service.


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Unread postPosted: February 7, 2018, 11:40 am 

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Also consider that since the end of the 2009 season, the Acorn has had very little use. She sailed from July to early January for the 2011 season, then from Sept-Dec for the 2014 season. So almost a decade of little wear on the hull.


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Unread postPosted: February 6, 2018, 8:10 pm 
That's what ASC said in the 1990s - Adam E. Cornelius was a "fringe boat" to them. She'll undoubtedly be in better shape than the Aird, considering that she hasn't used the Welland Canal and Seaway locks as often as the John B. Aird.


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Unread postPosted: February 6, 2018, 6:23 pm 
Those sound like place holder names, i.e. David Z, Earl W, CTC1, something just to have the ships on the books. I don't hold much hope for the Valor or Victory but the Buffalo and AEC should see some use. Even in the 90's the AEC was ASC's spare hull after the Boland (Saginaw), Inland had her for a few years. Engine wise vs the Aird she should hold the advantage as EMD's are far more common and reliable than what Algoma has.


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Unread postPosted: February 6, 2018, 4:03 pm 
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We know the Buffalo is a river ship taking Algoways cargoes but where does the Cornelius fit in she hasn't run in a while, she mustn't be to economical or ASC would be using her, I wonder why not keep the Aird newer more economical motors,they know her the crews know her just seems strange.


Since they rarely ventured into salt water, I'm guessing the ASC river class hulls are in better shape then the John B. Aird et al were at this point.


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Unread postPosted: February 6, 2018, 2:00 pm 
We know the Buffalo is a river ship taking Algoways cargoes but where does the Cornelius fit in she hasn't run in a while, she mustn't be to economical or ASC would be using her, I wonder why not keep the Aird newer more economical motors,they know her the crews know her just seems strange.


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Unread postPosted: February 6, 2018, 1:52 pm 
Why didn't they just leave the Montrealais and Quebecois alone for the couple years they ran would it have made a difference, maybe if they changed colour but they didn't even bother to paint them.


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Unread postPosted: February 6, 2018, 1:48 pm 
In the grand scheme of conversions I can't see the cost of a boom being that big of an expense


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