Herbert C. Jackson Rouge Bridge Accident

[wlbblw]

Yeah, if you use the term allision outside the maritime community, other people would think you misspoke or that they didn't hear you properly. My spell check doesn't even know that word & it's trying to auto correct it as I type this...

[Guest]

I think that it's the other way around. A collision would occur between two vessels while the event involving the Jackson and bridge is correctly called an allusion.

Correct, an allision describes a vessel striking a fixed object like a bridge.

My error.Thanks for the clarifications. I've got it now. Allision occurs when a vessel strikes a stationary object like a bridge or a dock. A Collision describes moving vessels striking each other.

OK. I have to ask, just for the heck of it.. If a moving vessel strikes a moored vessel (or a vessel that is stationary) is it still a collision or an allision?

It would be an allision. Collision is between two moving vessels.

[Wawatam]

I think that it's the other way around. A collision would occur between two vessels while the event involving the Jackson and bridge is correctly called an allusion.

Correct, an allision describes a vessel striking a fixed object like a bridge.

My error.Thanks for the clarifications. I've got it now. Allision occurs when a vessel strikes a stationary object like a bridge or a dock. A Collision describes moving vessels striking each other.

OK. I have to ask, just for the heck of it.... If a moving vessel strikes a moored vessel (or a vessel that is stationary) is it still a collision or an allision?

[Guest]

I love the term allision as used in the report. (the nautical description of a fender bender)

However, since the Rouge River Bridge is not a vessel, shouldn't this event technically be described as a collision?

I believe an allision is usually used when two vessels bump and scrape up against each other. This event was a little more serious.

I think that it's the other way around. A collision would occur between two vessels while the event involving the Jackson and bridge is correctly called an allusion.

Correct, an allision describes a vessel striking a fixed object like a bridge.

To add further confusion: as the bridge had moving leafs and its motion is what actually caused the accident...does it still qualify as a allision? I don't believe the moving leaf would qualify as a fixed object in the same way as a bridge pier. Is there a term for a bridge hitting a ship?

I believe most people use the term collision to avoid confusion concerning what allision means as most outside of the maritime world would have never heard of this term. I remember all of the news reports calling it a collision at the time.

[Guest]

I love the term allision as used in the report. (the nautical description of a fender bender)

However, since the Rouge River Bridge is not a vessel, shouldn't this event technically be described as a collision?

I believe an allision is usually used when two vessels bump and scrape up against each other. This event was a little more serious.

I think that it's the other way around. A collision would occur between two vessels while the event involving the Jackson and bridge is correctly called an allusion.

Correct, an allision describes a vessel striking a fixed object like a bridge.

[Guest]

I love the term allision as used in the report. (the nautical description of a fender bender)

However, since the Rouge River Bridge is not a vessel, shouldn't this event technically be described as a collision?

I believe an allision is usually used when two vessels bump and scrape up against each other. This event was a little more serious.

I think that it's the other way around. A collision would occur between two vessels while the event involving the Jackson and bridge is correctly called an allusion.

[Wawatam]

I love the term allision as used in the report. (the nautical description of a fender bender)

However, since the Rouge River Bridge is not a vessel, shouldn't this event technically be described as a collision?

I believe an allision is usually used when two vessels bump and scrape up against each other. This event was a little more serious.

[Guest]

Interesting report. Any information on the American Spirit was it grounding up in the Straits area?

[Guest]

The NTSB has released their report on the bridge accident involving the Jefferson Ave Bridge and the Herbert C. Jackson in May of 2013.

This is the link:

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2014/MAB1419.pdf