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Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by GuestfromEU » May 14, 2019, 12:09 pm

Guest wrote:Thanks for the answers Guest from EU, so is the bow thruster controllable pitch or reversible? You see some of the thrusters on the older ships of 400 hp some 600hp they seemed to get more powerful as time went on, so my question would the 400hp bow thruster or basically any thruster under 1000hp be of much use on a 730 or footer I'm sure if a stiff wind is blowing low hp thrusters would be of little use?
It depends on the type of bow thruster, but controllable pitch is more common than not. This allows the thruster itself to remain rotating, but if the pitch is at 0 (neither port nor starboard), then it is effectively idling, not pushing any water. Fixed pitch models are generally smaller (under 500 kW), and the electric drive motor is connected to a variable frequency controller, so the motor speed (and prop speed) is not only adjustable, but also quick to respond.

The size of electric motor thruster drive on a ship is determined on the hull form, sail area, size of thruster unit, and others (of particular note is consideration of congested waters and trading routes/maneuverability requirements specific for the lakes). To answer your question of whether a certain size thruster drive unit is effective or not for a certain size ship, the answer is really variable. A ship with low freeboard could require less power than a similar ship with higher freeboard. A faired hull form would offer less resistance than a basic, block-shaped hull. I would venture to guess that a 600 kW unit in a 730' lake boat would be sufficient for most needs.

The Great Lakes ships generally have larger size thrusters than most ocean-going vessels, as the lake boats generally do not use tugs for mooring/un-mooring. By not using tugs, the ships require a greater degree of maneuverability.

Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by Guest » May 13, 2019, 1:19 pm

Generally speaking if a laker has a diesel bow thruster the ship started life without a bow thruster. Its much easier to retrofit a diesel onto a ship than and electric. On a new construction electric is the way to go.

Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by Guest » May 13, 2019, 10:52 am

Thanks for the answers Guest from EU, so is the bow thruster controllable pitch or reversible? You see some of the thrusters on the older ships of 400 hp some 600hp they seemed to get more powerful as time went on, so my question would the 400hp bow thruster or basically any thruster under 1000hp be of much use on a 730 or footer I'm sure if a stiff wind is blowing low hp thrusters would be of little use?

Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by GuestfromEU » May 13, 2019, 6:56 am

Guest wrote:Why do some ships have diesel bow thrusters and some electric, I would assume the electric are easier to install and maintain,
It depends on how much electric generating capacity a ship has. If the generators are not large enough to power a bow thruster, then diesel power is an option. Electric drives can vary, from 440V, to 4kV-11kV (440V and 4kV are most common on the Lakes). If a ship is built with a bow thruster, it will likely have an electric-driven bow thruster. In the case of older ships re-fitted with bow thrusters, the generators were too small to power the large electric motor, hence the diesel option.

Diesel-driven bow thrusters are actually diesel-hydraulic. A diesel engine drives a hydraulic pump, and that hydraulic drive powers the bow thruster drive. Hydraulics are also used for controlling the pitch of the bow thruster in some models.

Tankers will have a main hydraulic system for powering the cargo and ballast pumps, mooring winches, etc. That system can also be used to power a bow thruster.

Electric drive is easier to maintain in most cases, yes.

Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by Guest » May 10, 2019, 11:01 am

Why do some ships have diesel bow thrusters and some electric, I would assume the electric are easier to install and maintain,

Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by Don_Detloff » May 10, 2019, 9:42 am

Guest wrote:Looks like a manual lift for the forward boarding ladder that’s stored underneath it.
Yes, you can see the lines attached to the ladder in this shot.

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Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by Guest » May 9, 2019, 11:16 pm

The exhust for the bow thruster is the steel pipe slightly covered by the red oval.

Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by Guest » May 8, 2019, 5:41 pm

Looks like a manual lift for the forward boarding ladder that’s stored underneath it.

Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by Guest » May 8, 2019, 5:34 pm

Is it the exhaust for the bow thruster?

Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by Bigboat » May 8, 2019, 12:40 pm

I believe they are referring to this.
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Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by geysir » May 8, 2019, 12:25 pm

One purpose appears to be as the end point for the support wire for the sat(?) unit.

Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by Guest » May 8, 2019, 11:11 am

Thanks for letting me know about the running light. I was actually referring to the vertical mast like structure. It is white in this picture but in some instances on the other ships it appears to be black.

Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by Guest » May 8, 2019, 9:40 am

garbear wrote:
Guest wrote:Does anyone know the purpose of the installation I have circled in a bow image of the Arthur M. Anderson? In addition to the Anderson, I have also seen them on the Clarke and Callaway.
It's the port running light.
What about the white angled boom-like structure?

Re: Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by garbear » May 8, 2019, 8:41 am

Guest wrote:Does anyone know the purpose of the installation I have circled in a bow image of the Arthur M. Anderson? In addition to the Anderson, I have also seen them on the Clarke and Callaway.
It's the port running light.

Great Lakes Fleet AAA Class Question

by Guest » May 8, 2019, 8:13 am

Does anyone know the purpose of the installation I have circled in a bow image of the Arthur M. Anderson? In addition to the Anderson, I have also seen them on the Clarke and Callaway.
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