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Re: Salt

by badkid03 » January 1, 2012, 9:27 pm

Thank you everyone! I knew I was right..

And Sandman.who are you?

Re: Salt

by Mr Link » January 1, 2012, 8:52 pm

Road salt can and does come from a multiple sources. Municipalities and road commissions can buy from any source. However in Michigan, cities and counties are allowed to piggyback onto state contracts for salt (this usually lowers costs by buying in bulk). Michigan currently has contracts with North American Salt, Cargill, Morton and Detroit Salt. North American Salt, which now owns the mine in Goderich, is currently the low bidder for large portions of the state, including northern lower Michigan and most of the Upper Peninsula. The contracts include deliveries right to the road authority salt sheds, so as part of the contract the salt companies have to determine where they will stockpile salt and what trucking companies they will use. If shipping by boat, they also determine what shipping company they want to use. http://www.michigan.gov/localgov/0,4602 ... --,00.html

As for the conveyor at Goderich, a temporary replacement was in use within weeks of the tornado and I believe the main conveyor is back in service.

Pre-wetting of salt with liquid chloride or other chemicals is a very common procedure done for three reasons: First, it helps the salt particles stick to the road, reducing the amount that bounces off the road. Second, salt has to dissolve to work. Prewetting helps the salt dissolve, especially at lower temperatures when there isn't much moisture (liquid) on the road. Third, sodium chloride (rock salt) stops working below -6 degrees Fahrenheit. Other chlorides and chemicals work at lower temperatures. So by prewetting the salt with these chemicals it changes the eutectic temperature of the mixture, allowing it to work at lower temperatures. http://www.saltinstitute.org/Uses-benef ... -salt-work

Re: Salt

by sandman707 » January 1, 2012, 8:44 pm

Well, I hate to add fuel to the fire but, the salt does in fact come from Canada. This year the Algosoo, and Algoma Trasfer brought in the loads. I am not sure how much the state has to say about when or how much is brought, as the salt goes to county, city and state municipalities. I know that as we truck it we have certain places that that we haul to first, something to do with payment.

Re: Salt

by kpgubert » January 1, 2012, 8:36 pm

Well, I can't tell you for sure that salt did in fact come from Goderich, but I do know it comes from Canada. Per the Jones Act (Merchant Marine Act of 1920) if the salt came from an American port it would have to be delivered to Hancock by an American flagged vessel. All the vessels I have seen (or seen pictures of, thanks to you) have been Algoma ships. Algoma Central Marine is an entirely Canadian based company.
Perhaps your friend was confused by the American flag displayed above the wheelhouse? A vessel usually flies its home flag at the stern, and as I'm sure you can observe from your pictures there is only a Canadian flag displayed at the stern of both Algosoo and Algoma Transfer.

As of note, I visited Goderich November 23 and the town was completely functional. Most everything was back to normal. While I was there was a saltie moored at the elavator, and Algoma Transfer was inbound.
I did notice the Hancock delivery this year was a couple weeks later than I've seen it in the past.

Salt

by badkid03 » January 1, 2012, 5:27 pm

Okay I have a little kind of unfriendly discussion going

So the salt that is brought here to Houghton/Hancock, MI is from the Sifto Salt Mine in Goderich, Ontario correct? Okay so, then when the boats load at the Sifto Salt Mine in Goderich, they also bring a load to Sault Ste Marie, MI then the other half of the load comes here to Houghton/Hancock. Sometimes we get 2 boats a year, depending on how much salt we need. I have been told by the dock owner himself, that because of the tornado and the damage it did, the boats were delayed til they got the loading conveyor running again. And also the state budget depends on how much and when the salt is brought in. This person I have a discussion going with on this topic says the salt isn't from Canada nor does he believe me that the boats are Canadian boats that bring it here. What's this about liquid chloride being put into the salt?! I have not once heard of that being done, ever!

Someone please reply, and let me know that where I get my information from is correct. I would just like to prove him very wrong Thanks.

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