News about Cornelia?

[JohnH]

Here she is this morning lining up for the bridge on her way out of Duluth.

[garbear]

The Cornelia Finally departed Duluth this morning at approx. 9:05. Hopefully they have a safe trip.

[garbear]

Here's the latest on the Cornelia.

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/3 ... tic-friday

[frus]

I understand denny's comments. A lot of shipowners and many ships crews dislike trading into the lakes. the frequent canalling and related danger that comes with operating in confined waters can be stressful especially after a tough ocean passage. Remember deep sea crews are often onboard for months not weeks like laker crews who have frequent contact with family and homeports. Owners dislike the lakes for many of the same reasons, the very real risk of banging up ships against canals and other vessels means insurance premiums are high for operating in the lakes. Add in the fact that the lakes freight market is dominated by a handful of powerful owners and you have a tough operating environment in all aspects of the word. Incidents like this will indeed deter people from coming in and all the marketing in the world cannot trump word of mouth.

[Guest]

Just wonder if the Captain and Crew may be celebrating and also having a party tonight? Their ordeal may finally be coming to an end and I am sure that they probably plan to not come back this way to Duluth-Superior again. No offense on that remark folks but if you were the captain and crew, how would you feel? I'll bet they can't wait to get things cleared up and be on their way from Duluth to wherever they may be going to with that grain load. The firm and company that owns the Cornelia, just wonder after this event if they may ever send another of their ships to the Great Lakes much less to Duluth-Superior? Just my thoughts only here on this issue.

I have followed this story rather closely and I don't understand where your negative comments on Duluth/Superior are coming from. The only connection the port has is the ship loaded there. It was a Federal investigation, U.S. Attorney and the Coast Guard. The Federal Government held the ship there, not Duluth/Superior. It could have easily been in Detroit, Toledo, Milwaukee. It just happened in Duluth/Superior. I don't think the Port held the ship hostage and tried to extort money from the ship owners. I would suggest it helps to get your facts in order before you post negative comments that weren't warranted.

[hugh3]

I think the crew probably enjoyed their stay. Get payed the same, no rough weather, nice view instead of looking and seeing the ocean for months on end. Being on board when underway or at anchor is no difference to a sailor, wake up, eat, go on watch, eat then go back to bed. If you can look out the porthole and see something that's a plus.

[garbear]

The whole ordeal has nothing to do with the Twin Ports. It was the Coast Guard that held them for environmental issues that happened someplace other than here in the Ports. It just happened they had to wait here for the investigation to be wrapped up.

[Denny]

Just wonder if the Captain and Crew may be celebrating and also having a party tonight? Their ordeal may finally be coming to an end and I am sure that they probably plan to not come back this way to Duluth-Superior again. No offense on that remark folks but if you were the captain and crew, how would you feel? I'll bet they can't wait to get things cleared up and be on their way from Duluth to wherever they may be going to with that grain load. The firm and company that owns the Cornelia, just wonder after this event if they may ever send another of their ships to the Great Lakes much less to Duluth-Superior? Just my thoughts only here on this issue.

[Darryl]

She just came into the Duluth Superior Harbor at 1600.

[Al]

Sounds like Cornelia is preparing to depart: http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/3 ... ock-refuel

[Randy S]

Seriously, I have to wonder about the mental state of the crew at this point.

[JFB]

The Great Lakes are hardly the only place where things like this happen. See this case which was decided just last month

http://www.green4sea.com/norwegian-ship ... ste-water/

[hugh3]

That is the holdup. Trying to get the shipping company to post proper bond before the ship leaves U.S. jurisdiction maybe never to return into U.S. waters.

[frus]

the biggest loser in all this is the seaway system and the bureaucracy that over-regulates it. There is no rational reason for a ship to be tied up for months like this if it is properly insured from a P&I perspective. If there is a transgression get a bond posted and let the ship and crew complete their voyage! Already Owners are reluctant to trade into the Great Lakes because it is ridiculously expensive and regulations are put in place by a mish-mash of overlapping jurisdictions.Look at the Ceeway liner service that may be derailed by a 58% pilotage tariff increase. Add to that a cargo ship detained on a ship by a regulatory body for months on end and word quickly spreads that this is not a place to do business. The result is a lack of competition and declining business opportunities.

[Guest]

Denny when I took a break from sailing a few years back I worked in western Canada for a few years and met farmers who stored grain in their own silos sometimes waiting for a better price and a couple were saving for future farm equipment I'm sure as lone as the grain stays dry it will last a long time I've seen them leave it for years yes the shipping company surely lost all profits for this load but the grain could sit in the cargo hold for long time as long as it's dry

[Denny]

Thanks Guest as you are probably right about if there is anything wrong with the cargo or not? I suppose you may be right regarding it is not much different than a storage load although I have not seen or heard of too many ships having storage loads of grain not that it can't happen of course! Just not too often you hear about storage loads of grain. Basically I was referring to the fact of the monetary value of that grain cargo as I would not think it would be worth too much being the fact it was loaded over a month ago now and time is money when it comes to grain cargoes. I would think that a lot of people lost lots of money through this grain cargo and load with all of the delays. Just my thoughts only here on this one!

[Guest]

Denny I don't think that anything is wrong with the cargo i wouldn't think it would be any different then a storage load being left on ships over the winter months

[Denny]

I have been wondering the same thing and now with only 19 days until the Seaway closes, they are really running up now against the time elements! If I am correct in reading the material along with the information on average, this late in the season whenever there is a salty in Duluth-Superior it needs to be underway and depart by December 18 give or take to be out of the Seaway just time before it closes. If that is the case, then the Cornelia only has about one more week left to get things settled up with their investigation and to be underway! I cannot even begin to think and imagine just how much money has been lost having the ship sit there all of this time and also how much money and value is probably lost on that grain cargo that they loaded? Just wonder now wherever they take that cargo to, will it even be worth it to unload since it was loaded in Duluth more than a month ago? These are just my thoughts only!

[trvguy]

Any news about the Cornelia moving? The locks will be closing soon.

[garbear]

The latest from the DNT.

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/3 ... ned-duluth