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 Post subject: Re: Manitowoc
Unread postPosted: April 8, 2021, 3:59 pm 
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When the boat first came out in 1973, run by Steinbrenner, I believe we had a crew of 21. Two deckhands and a 1-person galley. Mostly, we had frozen dinners. I sailed on it again in 1978 when run by Oglebay Norton (Pringle). Crew size bumped up considerably with an additional bunk in one room and the rec room turned into a 3-man room. The 2-deckhand setup changed to 3 deckhands and a bosun.


In my room on the Oglebay you could see brackets where there had been another bunk above mine so at least 3 in that room. Super odd for a post 1965 ship.



How does the Covid situation affect crew size? I would assume that the companies would want only one person to a room but does this create problems for ships built when it was standard to have more than 1 unlicensed crewmember to a cabin?


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When the boat first came out in 1973, run by Steinbrenner, I believe we had a crew of 21. Two deckhands and a 1-person galley. Mostly, we had frozen dinners. I sailed on it again in 1978 when run by Oglebay Norton (Pringle). Crew size bumped up considerably with an additional bunk in one room and the rec room turned into a 3-man room. The 2-deckhand setup changed to 3 deckhands and a bosun.


In my room on the Oglebay you could see brackets where there had been another bunk above mine so at least 3 in that room. Super odd for a post 1965 ship.


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Unread postPosted: April 6, 2021, 4:00 pm 

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Changing the employment terms once they are underway? Modern day Shanghaiing. If true this will be a large legal problem for Rand.


Them boats are work boats. I know, I worked on them. Back aways they cut the crew by four guys - two on deck, two in the engineroom. Docking once a day or two, hosing cargo holds, shifting. Now with the hedge fund they gonna want the same workers running gates, because you're guaranteed 12 hours a day. Can be inhuman. I don't know how guys would hold up. Older ABs asked to jump back down into heavy physical labor. Bless their hearts, but gotta compete.


Oddly enough when I worked on her as the Earl W. Oglebay in 2004 she had the biggest crew of any ship I sailed on. She had 1 porter and 2 gatemen, she also had 3 deckhands. There was a total crew of 27 or 29, only ship I shared a room on. On the Burns Harbor there was 24 of us, on the Roger Blough I think there was about 22. Undaunted there was 10.


When the boat first came out in 1973, run by Steinbrenner, I believe we had a crew of 21. Two deckhands and a 1-person galley. Mostly, we had frozen dinners. I sailed on it again in 1978 when run by Oglebay Norton (Pringle). Crew size bumped up considerably with an additional bunk in one room and the rec room turned into a 3-man room. The 2-deckhand setup changed to 3 deckhands and a bosun.


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Unread postPosted: April 5, 2021, 5:47 pm 

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Thanks, and I see she has just gotten underway.


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Unread postPosted: April 5, 2021, 4:57 pm 
RogerKYS wrote:
WHat day the Manitowoc arrive in Manistee?

The afternoon of April 1st.


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WHat day the Manitowoc arrive in Manistee?


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Unread postPosted: April 5, 2021, 4:11 pm 

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It has not been on the news because there is no news other than she has been there a while. All we have heard is speculation at this point and it hasn't been written about by any news organization.


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Changing the employment terms once they are underway? Modern day Shanghaiing. If true this will be a large legal problem for Rand.


Them boats are work boats. I know, I worked on them. Back aways they cut the crew by four guys - two on deck, two in the engineroom. Docking once a day or two, hosing cargo holds, shifting. Now with the hedge fund they gonna want the same workers running gates, because you're guaranteed 12 hours a day. Can be inhuman. I don't know how guys would hold up. Older ABs asked to jump back down into heavy physical labor. Bless their hearts, but gotta compete.


Oddly enough when I worked on her as the Earl W. Oglebay in 2004 she had the biggest crew of any ship I sailed on. She had 1 porter and 2 gatemen, she also had 3 deckhands. There was a total crew of 27 or 29, only ship I shared a room on. On the Burns Harbor there was 24 of us, on the Roger Blough I think there was about 22. Undaunted there was 10.


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Unread postPosted: April 5, 2021, 12:53 pm 
Why hasn’t there been anything said about her on the News Page yet? Haven’t seen anything mentioned that I’m aware of so far with them and nothing has been said or mentioned as far as Port Reports as well. Whatever is going on with them, unless somebody has any information to add or share IMO this story should be added to the boatnerd news. Just my two cents and thoughts and opinions on this. Thank You.


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Changing the employment terms once they are underway? Modern day Shanghaiing. If true this will be a large legal problem for Rand.


Them boats are work boats. I know, I worked on them. Back aways they cut the crew by four guys - two on deck, two in the engineroom. Docking once a day or two, hosing cargo holds, shifting. Now with the hedge fund they gonna want the same workers running gates, because you're guaranteed 12 hours a day. Can be inhuman. I don't know how guys would hold up. Older ABs asked to jump back down into heavy physical labor. Bless their hearts, but gotta compete.


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Unread postPosted: April 4, 2021, 9:18 am 
Indeed guest, the Facebook group referenced earlier was incorrect (as usual). Manitowoc plans on remaining in Manistee for the next week or so. Everyone is feeling well thus far.


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Unread postPosted: April 3, 2021, 11:19 pm 
I know the fb page might state differently, but I spoke to a buddy on board the Olive L Moore and was informed that two or three of the mates on the Manitowoc do have Covid. Right now the company is trying to quarantine those people affected and get new crew to the vessel, but there having a difficult time finding people.


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Changing the employment terms once they are underway? Modern day Shanghaiing. If true this will be a large legal problem for Rand.


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Unread postPosted: April 3, 2021, 6:54 pm 

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The crew may have walked off. A lot of issues right now with Grand River, ASC, AMO union, and temporary workers from third party staffing agencies. Non-union workers brought in and they are walking off when terms of employment/wages change after the ship sails (promised prime rib but ended up with salisbury steak).


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Unread postPosted: April 3, 2021, 2:12 pm 
What's it doing other than unloading that brought up the question in the first place?


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