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 Post subject: Re: Tugs and long tows
Unread postPosted: June 20, 2021, 4:21 pm 
Canadian tugs can run with 4 crew We have tugs that do 2 week trips with just 4 crew Capt Mate and 2 cook/deckhands Everyone works 6&6 Some tugs have an engineer Only the largest tug have a cook


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Unread postPosted: June 12, 2021, 9:19 am 
Standards are different between U.S. & Canada. U.S. tugs are often running with just 4 aboard. Captain, mate, mechanic, & deckhand. A Canadian tug that's doing more than day work is required 6 minimum. Captain & mate, watchman for each watch & an engineer for each watch. Canadian tugs on regular runs will almost always have a dedicated cook.


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Unread postPosted: June 11, 2021, 9:14 pm 
johnfrombrighton wrote:
Steamboater wrote:
On long tow jobs like Sarah Dann and blue crane I have these questions..
How many crew would be on the lead tug?
Are responsibilities divide up in typical 4 hr wagon watch, 8 hrs off
Who looks after food supply and cooking?
How is fuelling planned?
This is a considerable amount of sea time. As a former member of the Esso lakes fleet any replies will be appreciated!


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Grew up in Sarnia. Remember watching the Esso boats (the type with superstructure amidships) in the river and thinking how little freeboard they had when they were loaded. Were you ever in storms on this type of tanker? I could imagine waves washing over the deck.

Would be good to hear storm stories.


I have often wondered about the small amount of freeboard these vessels had. Was this possible due to the buoyancy of the liquid cargoes they carried?


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Unread postPosted: June 11, 2021, 6:28 pm 
Steamboater wrote:
On long tow jobs like Sarah Dann and blue crane I have these questions..
How many crew would be on the lead tug?
Are responsibilities divide up in typical 4 hr wagon watch, 8 hrs off
Who looks after food supply and cooking?
How is fuelling planned?
This is a considerable amount of sea time. As a former member of the Esso lakes fleet any replies will be appreciated!


Steamboater

Grew up in Sarnia. Remember watching the Esso boats (the type with superstructure amidships) in the river and thinking how little freeboard they had when they were loaded. Were you ever in storms on this type of tanker? I could imagine waves washing over the deck.

Would be good to hear storm stories.


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Unread postPosted: June 11, 2021, 2:02 pm 
I sailed as Chief Engineer on Ocean Tugs in early 2005, Not US flag Not UMS rated. 6on6off watch system, 6weeks on 3 weeks off with pay. We Had a crew consisting of Captain, Mate, Chief & 2nd Engineer 3 ABs and a Cook. Most non U.S. Tugs carry cooks to the best of my knowledge, makes hiring voyage crews easier.


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Unread postPosted: June 11, 2021, 1:09 pm 
Since an ocean going tug has enough fuel for a month does it have ballast tanks to fill as the fuel is consumed?


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Unread postPosted: June 11, 2021, 8:10 am 
In the past 25 or so years, ocean towing has changed quite a bit, especially coastal towing like this trip Sarah Dann is making. Smaller tugs with smaller crews. Only enough crew for two watches, partly unmanned engine rooms, no cook, etc. The luxury of 4hrs on / 8hrs off is generally long gone.

Tugs doing these tows should have plenty of fuel, water and stores on board for the whole trip, maybe even a month or more.


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Unread postPosted: June 11, 2021, 7:45 am 
Is there a different crew atmosphere on these tugs in comparison to conventional ships? My cousin was in the US Navy back in the 1980s and spent time on both submarines and surface warships. He always said that the crews of subs had a far less distinction between officers and enlisted personnel. Although he claimed that there was a strong sense of comradery on all of the ships he served, he also said this feeling seemed to be just a little stronger among the sub crews. I know it is like comparing apples to oranges but are the smaller crews of the tugs a little more tight-knit than those of larger ships?


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Unread postPosted: June 10, 2021, 10:40 pm 

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This brief article mentions that Western Towboat is using five person crews to tow rail barges to Alaska. The 2800 mile round trip voyages take between 15 to 21 days depending on weather.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/tough-tugs-big-cargo-and-very-long-trips-all-the-way-to-alaska/

Since they custom built their tugs for this service, I assume that they can make the round trip without refueling, or restocking.


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Unread postPosted: June 10, 2021, 10:22 pm 
Don't know any specifics about the Sarah Dann tow, or Dann Ocean Towing. But a lot of ocean going tugs of that size run with a crew of around 6. 6 hour on/ 6 hour off watches are typical, with more and more towing companies providing a day off for every day worked (7/7, 14/14 or 21/21) Deckhands generally get cooking duty, although the officers might help out is well.

When the Thomas Dann (another tug of similar size in the same fleet) caught fire in 2016 towing a cement barge from New York to Florida, it had a crew of 6 on board. Captain, mate, engineer, two AB's and a barge attendant. The Patrice McAllister, a similar size tug, also had 6 onboard when it caught fire on Lake Ontario, although it was not towing anything at the time.

As for fueling, I would assume that fuel levels are monitored by the engineer and refueling plans are made in consultation with home office staff. Probably the same with food and supplies.


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Unread postPosted: June 10, 2021, 12:23 pm 
On long tow jobs like Sarah Dann and blue crane I have these questions..
How many crew would be on the lead tug?
Are responsibilities divide up in typical 4 hr wagon watch, 8 hrs off
Who looks after food supply and cooking?
How is fuelling planned?
This is a considerable amount of sea time. As a former member of the Esso lakes fleet any replies will be appreciated!


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