Re: Valor And Manistee
Posted: October 8, 2022, 9:43 am
The Victory/Maumee, Manitoulin and Michipicotin have delivered pellets there with the Victory being on a pretty steady run from Superior
That is likely to result in quite a shake up in the LLT fleet! Would not be surprised to see a few more to head for the scrappers.guest wrote: ↑October 6, 2022, 11:41 pm yes but the end is near for lower lakes hauling ore pellets from michigan to sault, ontario. the. new EAF furnaces will primarily be using scrap. but be a good thing for PMS, mckeil or purvis but not so good for LLT
Yes, you can Google image "John Sherwin freighter inside" and follow some pictures of an urban explorer who climbed the dockline onto her.Guest wrote: ↑October 2, 2022, 5:34 pm This is the first time i have heard about water in the holds and elsewhere in the Sherwin how deep is the water in the holds and are there any pictures?
Thanks in advance.
I apologize as I forgot about the Adam E. Cornelius (Algoma Compass) being sold at the same time to Algoma.Guest wrote: ↑October 2, 2022, 2:01 pmI believe the American Fortitude (Courtney Burton) was still owned by ASC when it was originally sold for scrap, with the American Victory, American Valor, and Buffalo being sold to Algoma. Renamed Valo and widely expected to be sold for scrap the former American Valor is, I believe, owned by Rand Logistics. With Rand acquiring the ASC fleet, however, some doubt could be raised as to what future the Valo has under the Canadian flag. It is currently the longest ship confined to operating on the Great Lakes under the Canadian flag. There was some speculation at the time that the American Fortitude went to scrap the sale was done to prevent the ship from coming under GRN ownership, how much truth there is to that and how much is rumor is only known by the executives of the two firms at the time.Jared wrote: ↑October 2, 2022, 11:42 am It costs the companies very little overall. The dockage is free as it is owned outright for both the Valor and Sherwin.
The Sherwin has lasted in layup because she's basically a "new" hull and can be refurbished cheaply as she's completely empty of engines and equipment. Even the pilothouse is stripped allowing up to date equipment to be installed if they chose to do so. However, corrosion is beginning to cause problems as trespassers have boarded and recorded the ship and there's water in her holds and cabins. Without at least a coating of paint every decade, her steel is being exposed to the elements. If the Roger Blough is scrapped, then there might be a future for the Sherwin but far more likely than not, she will be scrapped.
As for the Valor, Algoma got it for a song and might have thought to add it to their working fleet for future capacities or Jones Act compliment vessels for an American subsidiary. Her hull is definitely used but has life left in it. The fact that the Burton went to scrap under the same owners, probably means the Valor will most likely be scrapped also as the Chinese built boats are still cheaper than to repower and refurbish a hull that is already 60+ years old.
As for the Sherwin, if there is not some type of maintenance and inspection program being followed by Interlake the ship will begin to degrade. It is a simple fact that when something sits unused whether it be a ship, a house, an aircraft, or anything with a structure that is manmade nature will begin the process of reclaiming said object. While it is possible to place these types of properties in long-term storage, they do require periodic care to prevent the unavoidable encroachment of corrosion and deterioration. Left unchecked, this process will eventually reach a point at which it becomes cheaper to replace than to correct. This is why aircraft are often stored in dry conditions in the American southwest as the climate is more beneficial to long-term storage. With the Sherwin having now sat for over 40 years in a northern state climate it does not surprise me that it would have some standing water in its compartments. Having had the opportunity to examine aircraft that have been left in the elements, it is often amazing how quickly nature begins reclaiming anything left undisturbed for a prolonged period. It is also a poor state of affairs that apparently trespassers have easy access to the Sherwin but I seem to recall that the Ryerson has also been visited by trespassers in its layup berth.Jared wrote: ↑October 2, 2022, 11:42 am It costs the companies very little overall. The dockage is free as it is owned outright for both the Valor and Sherwin.
The Sherwin has lasted in layup because she's basically a "new" hull and can be refurbished cheaply as she's completely empty of engines and equipment. Even the pilothouse is stripped allowing up to date equipment to be installed if they chose to do so. However, corrosion is beginning to cause problems as trespassers have boarded and recorded the ship and there's water in her holds and cabins. Without at least a coating of paint every decade, her steel is being exposed to the elements. If the Roger Blough is scrapped, then there might be a future for the Sherwin but far more likely than not, she will be scrapped.
As for the Valor, Algoma got it for a song and might have thought to add it to their working fleet for future capacities or Jones Act compliment vessels for an American subsidiary. Her hull is definitely used but has life left in it. The fact that the Burton went to scrap under the same owners, probably means the Valor will most likely be scrapped also as the Chinese built boats are still cheaper than to repower and refurbish a hull that is already 60+ years old.
I believe the American Fortitude (Courtney Burton) was still owned by ASC when it was originally sold for scrap, with the American Victory, American Valor, and Buffalo being sold to Algoma. Renamed Valo and widely expected to be sold for scrap the former American Valor is, I believe, owned by Rand Logistics. With Rand acquiring the ASC fleet, however, some doubt could be raised as to what future the Valo has under the Canadian flag. It is currently the longest ship confined to operating on the Great Lakes under the Canadian flag. There was some speculation at the time that the American Fortitude went to scrap the sale was done to prevent the ship from coming under GRN ownership, how much truth there is to that and how much is rumor is only known by the executives of the two firms at the time.Jared wrote: ↑October 2, 2022, 11:42 am It costs the companies very little overall. The dockage is free as it is owned outright for both the Valor and Sherwin.
The Sherwin has lasted in layup because she's basically a "new" hull and can be refurbished cheaply as she's completely empty of engines and equipment. Even the pilothouse is stripped allowing up to date equipment to be installed if they chose to do so. However, corrosion is beginning to cause problems as trespassers have boarded and recorded the ship and there's water in her holds and cabins. Without at least a coating of paint every decade, her steel is being exposed to the elements. If the Roger Blough is scrapped, then there might be a future for the Sherwin but far more likely than not, she will be scrapped.
As for the Valor, Algoma got it for a song and might have thought to add it to their working fleet for future capacities or Jones Act compliment vessels for an American subsidiary. Her hull is definitely used but has life left in it. The fact that the Burton went to scrap under the same owners, probably means the Valor will most likely be scrapped also as the Chinese built boats are still cheaper than to repower and refurbish a hull that is already 60+ years old.
The Sherwin is located at a dock which is also owned by Interlake, so since 2009 she had had no docking fees. Obviously others pay fees. There is clearly some benefit seen by the owners of keeping these boats at the wall so long, even if we don't see itGuest wrote: ↑October 2, 2022, 7:45 am Valor has been in layup limbo for years how much does this cost the shipping companies every year?
Should they not have just scrapped this ship long ago? Same situation with the Sherwin.