ELR
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Guest wrote: ↑December 27, 2022, 2:03 pm Since shipping this new iron product requires new material handling systems in a boat, why not it in a rail car. Most of the EAF's aren't located on the water but inland and probably served by rail lines. Just have a car dumper at the plant.
The only one mill I can think of that could use this boat is Algoma at the Sault. But even that plant has a rail line. Am I missing something?
The new thread states she will sail for Algoma. I guess I got lucky with that guess!
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I agree. I can't imagine anyone thinking the Col. James M. Schoonmaker doesn't look great.Jon Paul wrote: ↑December 31, 2022, 9:04 amI think the Schoonmaker looks great in her original Shenango Furnace colors.Guest wrote: ↑December 28, 2022, 3:31 am Just dreaming - maybe not replacing the Mather but IMO she'd sure look better than the Col. James M. Schoonmaker Museum Ship in Toledo.
People will always travel to see beauty! No offense Col. Schoonmaker.
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I think the Schoonmaker looks great in her original Shenango Furnace colors.Guest wrote: ↑December 28, 2022, 3:31 am Just dreaming - maybe not replacing the Mather but IMO she'd sure look better than the Col. James M. Schoonmaker Museum Ship in Toledo.
People will always travel to see beauty! No offense Col. Schoonmaker.
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making the elr into a museum is like throwing money into a hole in the water. how many floating museums actually even come close to covering the operating expenses? maybe the valley camp at the soo, but thats about it. to many broken hearts out there. would they pay to take a tour of any type of museum ship? the truth is not to many of them.
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If there is a steady source of supply and a regular enough demand you might see one with a crane. I'd imagine that they'd go with a crane on a barge though. that would be your cheapest way to do it.Guest wrote: ↑December 27, 2022, 5:07 pm Given those sizes, I can see where self-unloaders would have problems discharging this type of cargo as they did with natural ores and never really caught on in the ore trade until it became dominated by taconite pellets. Could this bring about a return of crane vessels on the lakes at some time in the future?
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Given those sizes, I can see where self-unloaders would have problems discharging this type of cargo as they did with natural ores and never really caught on in the ore trade until it became dominated by taconite pellets. Could this bring about a return of crane vessels on the lakes at some time in the future?
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The mainstream fleets around the lakes have clearly spoken by their actions as they've modernized their vessels. I see little reason to be concerned about her being barged instead of going the conventional route that all the other big fleets around the lakes have gone with.
And every cent that the price of fuel rises, the natural inefficiencies of an ATB become even more of a hindrance.
And every cent that the price of fuel rises, the natural inefficiencies of an ATB become even more of a hindrance.
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Since shipping this new iron product requires new material handling systems in a boat, why not it in a rail car. Most of the EAF's aren't located on the water but inland and probably served by rail lines. Just have a car dumper at the plant.
The only one mill I can think of that could use this boat is Algoma at the Sault. But even that plant has a rail line. Am I missing something?
The only one mill I can think of that could use this boat is Algoma at the Sault. But even that plant has a rail line. Am I missing something?
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A conversion to a barge makes more sense from an economic standpoint than re-powering. Plenty of used Tugs can be bought for less than the an expensive re-powering. Paying a crew of 10 to 12 to sit around while she is unloaded is way cheaper than 18 or so on a boat that will take a long time to unload.
Tragic though from a boatnerd point of view
IMO she is perhaps the best looking ore boat ever to sail the Great Lakes.
Tragic though from a boatnerd point of view
IMO she is perhaps the best looking ore boat ever to sail the Great Lakes.
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I had heard they were considering a Pathfinder like conversion.
I hope they can find a way to run her ‘as is!’
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ELR has large hatch openings of 54' x 20' compared to the other boats of its era like Homer, Fitzgerald and others at 48' x 11'. My understanding is that modifications are being considered but not sure what that means whether structurally or re-powering.